UFC 315 Recap w/ UFC vets Angela Hill and Jessica Penne

Hi

Oh god. Are you hungover? No, it was just loud. I usually stay at a steady monotone, so I understand it was a bit jarring

Yeah, it was a lot. I guess. How was your week? It was pretty mellow

I got a really gnarly stinger the previous week, so I basically did not train all this week

I've been recuperating. Oh, man. Yeah, fun. Stingers. Oh, my goodness. They take you out sometimes

They do. Well, I've just been kind of training, getting back into the groove of things

maybe thinking about doing another tournament, but I'm hoping I get some news soon

I just saw that my last opponent just booked a fight. So I forget who she's fighting, but I was like, that

how do you get fights before me? I won. So hopefully it'll be happening soon

And I've been begging for the Lucindo fight. I think that would be a really good matchup for me

And she has a good number by her name where I could do that little sneaky climb up

So that's the fight I really want to make. But what about your call-out

Oh, I would love that fight. But she needs more than eight weeks to get ready

She needs more than eight weeks to make weight. What? Did you not see the response

No. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God. Tell me. Where have I been

Okay. So she responded because we actually follow each other. I actually think she's pretty cool

But I did not like her kind of going the shitty route with me after my callout

I felt like my call out was pretty classy. The butthole, the puckering thing

No, she didn't even see that. I'm just saying all I said was she had the chance to retire me and she decided not to

She had the chance to try to retire me and she decided not to. She responded saying she's like ranked higher

She doesn't need to fight me, blah, blah, blah. But when that fight offer actually happened, I was ranked higher than her

And I was like, let's go. Eight weeks, easy peasy. And she said that she needs more than eight weeks in order to make strawweight

Okay. Okay. So that's her story, and she's sticking to it. Now she's ranked higher than me because, you know, the rankings are BS

But hopefully I'll be able to get a matchup within the next eight weeks

and I won't have to wait 10 to 12 to 14 weeks for that hoe to make weight

because you can make weight in two. I can make weight in two days

Yeah, that's what I can. Just in case you guys weren't sure what she meant

Not two weeks, two days. Like Tamara. Yeah. She's fine. Like it's not an issue for me

I'm not a weight bully, but it is what it is. So I might do like a grappling tournament or something to stay ready

But I've been having fun training, so I'm going to stick with that for the next few weeks

and try not to float around too much. It was a lot of traveling last month

Yeah, that'll take it out of you real quick. Yeah. Yeah. And it's better to be on a schedule too

just for like the mind gets you off of the emotional roller coaster kind of thing

It's good to have structure in your life, you know. Just be centered

It's like really important for kids to have structure, dogs to have structure. It's important for athletes to have structure

Interesting. Just to get all cagey. I know. Poor Butcher's been running around to all his cousins' houses

But, yeah, now I get to spend some time with him, with my husband, with my friends

And it'll be a good week or a good month. So, like, UFC was actually pretty far away this time, too

They were in Canada and in Montreal for, like, the first time in 10 years

Yeah, so that was interesting. What did you think about the promotion of 315

because it felt like you didn't really hear that much about it. No

And everybody kind of like honed in on the fact that the venue wasn't sold out

But there was, I think their hockey team was in the playoffs

There's like a lot of other stuff. The real sports were happening. A lot of more important things that they care about up there going on

Yeah, I think it was a bit lackluster. But what did you think of the fights rather than the promotion

I thought there were some good fights. There were some good fights. I was a little exhausted once we got to the co-main and the main, though

Two title fights is very hard for me. Especially when they go the distance

Yeah. Two title fight decisions. That's an hour. That's... At least an hour of your time

Between the commercial breaks, the promos, the build-up, the this, the that, and the other

But I will say this was definitely Bilal Muhammad's most exciting fight

because he lost. So rude. They're right. Everyone is right about us

No, it was a really exciting fight. I agree. And I wasn't sure if Bilal was going to take it or not

Like, I was in the minority that was like, oh, it's a close fight

But I think most people were like, Bilal's getting his butt kicked right now

I think maybe he won one round. He won one round, and that actually was the round where I thought he got hurt the most, the fourth round

I felt like Jack Della was putting it on him that round. So I was like, oh, I felt like that was a strong—I think I was just—I think I was a little tipsy

I definitely had to rewatch some fights this morning because, again, it was a long night of fights

and that usually, for me, equals one and a half bottles of wine

oh wow one and a half that's a high abp it is it is i think i'm feeling it this morning yeah

i was like why is it so slow this morning oh that's me yeah after the auto fight i was done

the auto fight took it out of me i was like excited i was screaming then i was disappointed

Like I went through the whole emotional rollercoaster. And then we had Shevchenko versus Fjord

Yeah. It's like I watched his whole career in one fight. Just right there

It was crazy. And I actually, I thought he won. Of course

I thought he had two rounds. Yeah. I thought he had two rounds. I would have given him all three

He got closest to finishing in the round that he won. It's like we could have had a draw round

Yeah. We could have had a draw fight. That third round to me, I felt like should have gone to Aldo

but I feel like that's also me being in the minority. But when you're looking at damage

when you're looking at who came closest to finishing the fight, he kicked his head around the octagon

He soccer kicked him. Like two, three times. It was incredible It was amazing And then he gassed really hard Guy got on top He gave him a couple little cuts on his forehead but they weren like day like life lacerations

Like I still, the bias in me is probably speaking, but I still would have given the third round to Aldo

When I watched it again this morning, I was like, okay. I could see how they would give Zahabi the third round

just because he had it for more than half of the round

He had Aldo in a bad position. He controlled. He controlled. And this guy, when I was watching footage on Zahabi before

I was like, man, this guy gets gifted fights. And he's in Canada

So there's my conspiracy. But it was good. He did what he needed to do in the sense that he poured on the volume

when he saw Jose Aldo being vulnerable and kind of stepping off the gas pedal from fatigue

or from whatever it was. He was playing the game really well

His whole camp, his cornerman, his brother, Zahabi, his coach, tends to have a really good game planned

and they play the game very well. So it was okay. But I still thought

No, so I'm trying to think of words to be supportive of this

But even if you don't look at the third round, the first and the second were Jose Aldo's rounds

Like he was landing more. He was pushing the pace. He was doing the most damage in those rounds

And Zahapi was just kind of like staying active. He was just like being defensive

He wasn't really like landing anything or doing anything that would make you think

okay, he's about to take over in this fight. If anything, the momentum was fully on Jose Aldo's side until the third

And then third, he just turned on viciously. Almost got my prediction right with the Aldo by TKO prediction

but just didn't have enough juice. But I do have to say I'm a little less mad about it because of the weight cut thing

See, the thing is, I wasn't mad about the weight. No. Because of Jose Aldo

I'm like, you know what? It's fine. I know, right? It's fine. It's fine. He's a legend

He should be fighting at 170 like Conor McGregor. He should be doing whatever he wants

We should be honored that he's still gracing us with his presence

That's exactly the mindset I have. When they announced that it was now a catch waiter being moved up

I was like, it's fine. I'm not even mad at him, honestly

He's done so much in his career for the sport. He's such an amazing champion

I'm just like, you know what? He's at that point in his career where he can

Yeah. Do you think that might have had anything to do with the scorecards

The fact that Jose Aldo was about to miss Wade and maybe one of the judges felt like they had to do Zahebi a solid

Because I always wonder if that comes into play when judges are scored

There's the human bias. Something like that. You know what? I mean. Like, oh, that poor guy

Yeah. We're all human. And I think that people just can't help but have biased tendencies towards certain things

I would think I would lean more on the side that Zahabi is a Canadian and we were fighting in Canada

I lean more towards that in the judging scope for biases. But I don't know if the weight had

But it's a fair question. So we have a new judge to add to the list

Pascal Procopio. Is he a Canadian? You're on the list. I don't know who he is, but his name sounds very suspect

He sounds very... He sounds like a dictator. He could be, yeah. French Canadian dictator

Yeah, if you look at his name, the first thing 16 hours ago on Reddit is

who the hell is Pascal Procopio? What did he do? Tell us what he did

So it wasn't just the auto fight where he scored it for Zahabi

He scored around two and three for Zahabi. He also gave the guy who fought Ian Kutalaba a 30-27

That's the guy. Bukaskas. He gave Bukaskas the most BS scoring 30-27

for him when Ian Coutilaba like sadly won the first two rounds

And I would argue the third two. But Ian Coutilaba looked on form in this fight

There's no way you could score against him 30-27. Yeah, that was a weird one

And Pascal Procopio, you're on the list. Sal D'Amato also scored for Bukaskas and a lot of people

were just like, what the heck just happened? Yeah. these guys you're in bad company pascal yeah you don't want your your name asterisked against

you know right next to that guys no you don't that means you're in the naughty list even though

me and sal are cool right now but there's always next time it's a fickle friendship

so yeah um when you look at the media scores these are the media people who are actually

there at the fights. You have two people scoring 29-28 for Zahabi

Are they Canadian? Drake Riggs and Eric Richter. Drake Riggs, say it isn't so

I'm unfollowing. Oh, no. And then Eric Richter of the NY Post, which isn't a real news, which isn't real news

So, yeah. Oh, no, I lost it. But you had those two who scored it for Guy

and then everyone else was like 12 people scored it for Aldo

A couple draws in there too, so I feel like that would have been fair as well

Yeah, I could have done the draw thing with that. Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed in that one

So all my emotions were just kind of drained after that fight, but let's go back to Jack Della Maddalena surprising a lot of people

I did polls. We both did our picks. We all thought Bilal was going to handle this guy

Well, if you look at how Jack Della showed up with Gilbert Burns

he had Gilbert Burns. Again, he knocked him out in the third round

after being taken down repeatedly. But if I look at that kind of fight

and then I match him up with Bilal, I see potentially the same thing happening

You know, getting taken down, getting controlled. But Jack Della proved us all wrong

And he put on an amazing display of striking and footwork, takedown defense

He was on a fire last night. That was so fun to watch

It was. And just his hands are so nasty. Like every time he landed clean on Bilal

and it wasn't super often, but when he was able to get into the pocket

and land clean on Bilal it made a big difference It had him desperation shooting It had him just like second guessing when to come in And you haven seen Bilal like look like that look vulnerable like that in so long

He's normally the bully. Yeah. He's normally going forward, imposing his game plan

And I mean, to be fair, we saw in his last fight with

oh my gosh, help me. With Leon Edwards. Thank you. With Leon Edwards

We saw him just completely dominant, But that was also a combination of Leon Edwards not being offensive

Yeah, he was kind of asleep in that fight. Yeah, it was another one where you're kind of like, man, what's next for Leon Edwards

More so than how good is Bilal Muhammad? And like, I think he did that to him

I think if Leon Edwards fought a lesser opponent, he would have been able to do like a classic Leon Edwards performance

But Jack Della didn't have that quit in him. Like he definitely didn't

when the takedowns happened, he was scrambling before his butt hit the ground

He was sprawling. He was doing all the things that he needed to do

And he had Craig Jones in his corner. He had Craig Jones in his camp the entire time

Did you see Craig Jones' promo for the fight? The cop call

No, did you see? There was so much promo. It was so good

He was saying that he got a phone call asking to make sure Jack Della won

because he needs to save the division. They need Bilal out. Oh, wow

Okay, so I saw a pretty funny one where he is calling the cops on Bilal, basically

They did a little skit. And he's like, yeah, I'd like to report an assault

Bilal Muhammad attacks me. And then he pauses and he's like, no, of course I'm not hurt

And I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah, that guy is pure comedy, man

He's so good. Yeah, he's really good. There was a wild thing that happened with Craig Jones' camp, B-Team

Did you see that thing? Yeah, I've seen all of it. Yeah. Do you know anything about it

I just saw the social media post. Um, so basically one of, uh, uh, one of their, you know, head people was caught by his girlfriend

His girlfriend went through his phone and found files and he didn't post these

He wasn't sharing these, but he found files of like girls at the gym being deep faked

and some really just like inappropriate degenerate activity. Okay. And again, he did not post this all

It was found because somebody went through his phone. But it basically raised a lot of red flags because it crossed a line

So he had girls on the team, like, deep faked in, like, porno things

That's basically what is going around. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And again, it wasn't leaked out, but somebody found it and then somebody told

And Craig Jones and the other, you know, head people at the gym basically had to step in and say, like, hey, we can't allow this and you've got to go

Damn. Yeah. That's a weird one. It is. That's so complicated. It really is

Because, like, I don't know. like I don't want to be anti-feminist

but like that's it's still kind of private exactly so and then and it feels weird

talking about this because I am a female and I'm at a gym and I would not

want to know if that was on a friend or a training partner's

phone like I wouldn't want to know that and I would probably want them kicked out of the gym

if I found out about it but I would also feel bad that

they are embarrassed for their kink for the rest of their life

And they're like, I don't know, just like painted as a pervert for the rest of their life

Yeah. And it's just, it's a weird kind of thing because he wasn't doing anything with it

And again, we haven't seen anything. We don't know exactly what was on it

It's like a lot of speculation and a lot of just doing damage control before like anything

could possibly like come out about it yeah it's just it's it's a weird one so he was doing something

privately on his phone and keeping the files to himself but somebody went through his phone and

and now everybody knows damn it's kind of a weird it's a weird area for me uh let me see your phone No

Exactly. Lock your phones. And don't put it on your phone. Put it in like a weird hard drive and stash it in the lockbox somewhere

They have keep safe apps where you need like a secondary, you know, passcode to get in there

Yeah, two point authentication. What is it? He's young. Something keys. Yo, you ed up, bro

Yeah. He was young. you live and you learn yeah that's a shame it is it was that uh who was it it was that uh nicky

rod guy uh his brother his brother yeah okay i don't know who that is j-rod j-rod okay well

then i have it in my files i actually brought it you have it in your files what else do you have

you have any deep fakes of me oh get kicked out damn that's crazy so i did see that uh the girls who spoke out about it got a lot of hate

online what did they get hate for um for speaking out about it what was people's opinions

uh just i don't know i feel like people had similar opinions to us like yeah that's that

sucks and that's creepy but it's also private so it kind of sucks that he's being painted in this

way but i think um if anything it's no one's business but you know the gems and if the decision

is to kick the guy out there's probably more to it than just this one instance like i feel like

if you're ever going to make a decision like that as a team leader as a as a coach as a business

owner there's there's a reason to doing what you do like the the punishment probably fit

the crime if you know what i mean like we don't know all the details and they probably aren't

going to put all the details out there especially because it's like a really odd situation but

i feel like the punishment probably fit the crime maybe he was warned for other things like

who knows what happened but like for whatever reason this seemed like the best option to to go

about and you got to respect their decisions i appreciate that you know they care about the

safety of the females in the gym i i appreciate that they're you know standing on business and

drawing a hard line in the sand i think as a business owner uh you have to do that and i think

that you know we have to make a safe place for females in the gym for everyone in the gym yeah Like if whatever it is whatever have you the gym is a sanctuary to a lot of people and it should remain that and it such

an uncomfortable thing too to be like you know wrapped around someone else's body for half of a

class a stranger most likely of a different gender you know like these are really uncomfortable

situations that you're putting yourself in. And if you think there's a sexual deviant in the mess

like it makes jujitsu so much more awkward. Like it's kind of hard to avoid, you know

getting rid of someone who has put a lot of the women on the team

in this situation. Yeah, well, there you go. Yeah. Damn. Well, aside from that, his coaching seemed pretty good

because Jack Della's grappling was on point. No, I've taken one of his seminars before

He did a seminar at Legion previously, and he's just, he's, like, spot on

He's a great coach. He's a great personality. Like, just his technical savvy

and his way of breaking things down and just his insight into, you know, combat sports

is pretty incredible. And the accent does it too, right? It really helps. And he's funny

Yeah, yeah. You know. My first coach was Australian. My first Muay Thai coach was Australian

And he was pretty lewd, like, pretty funny, too. So I really feel like if I had started with someone who was more dry

and, like, had less of a sense of humor and not as funny of a voice

I wouldn't have stuck with it. You know, it was just like, oh, we're going to go watch that TV show we like

You know what I mean? Like the Brandon show. The Brandon teaches us Muay Thai show

And it's going to be fun and entertaining. Like that really gets people to like join your flock when you have this like really charismatic personality and a funny accent

It helps. It does. I mean, I can speak on that like most, mostly because our coach Johnny, like he's, he's one of those really charismatic people where I had kind of lost my, my want, my drive for jujitsu

Yeah, and then meeting him and, you know, getting to learn from him

and be in the same room for him. His energy is contagious, you know. He's just a really great energy to be around

and he makes you excited about it. Well, me. He makes me excited about jiu-jitsu

He makes me, you know, happy and want to, you know, do good for him

Yeah, me too. You know I'm a grappler now, so same thing happened with me

Johnny just revived that part of my fighting style. But, yeah, it really does it for you

And Jack Della, they were posting videos of him choking Craig Jones out

You don't know if it was real or not. But all that social media boosting and everything

I felt like it closed the gap where you thought maybe Jack Della

wasn't going to be as sharp as he was in this last fight

because of the long layoff. but yeah, that was a great fight. Congrats to the and new

We didn't expect it, but it happened. And what do you think is next for that division

Because like, I don't think people were planning for this. I think people were feeling like he's just filling in for Shafkot

Bilal beats Jack Della and then Shafkot gets to come back in when his knee

is fixed. Well, they talked about, you know, the champ, the one 55 champ moving up to one 70 and challenging

And that was, I know they alluded to that a lot that Mohakachev was going to go up

if Della won. Specifically if Della won. Because that's not his boy

Yes. Okay. They are not brothers. He did not spend two years in Dagestan

and forget. He did not. No, he's, so they said that that is what is next

Okay. Dang. But he also said that he's not vacating the 155

which is supposed to, Like that's what's supposed to happen. But he's saying, no, that will not happen with me

Dang, that's right. Well, you know, there is kind of a log jam in 155 at the top

Like there's a lot of guys who've already challenged, who've lost against Islam or have lost recently against another top fiver

So there is like a bit of a log jam. I'm okay with Islam keeping a 155 belt, but I do feel bad for all the guys

Like there are a lot of guys who deserve that title shot after Jack Della Maddalena

And they're going to have to be waiting. Yeah. I think that we could have

I think Shafkat is out until 2026 I saw. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah

He had to have surgery. We have, we have Ian Gary just

you know, waiting in the wings for his, for his shot. And then we have a really interesting fight with Buckley and Usman

And that could also catapult. And so I think it comes down for these ones because we do have quite a bit of options

And Sean Brady, you can't forget about him. He's now the number one contender. I think that there's it's going to come down to who can promote the fight the best

Yeah, for sure. Who's the most exciting option? For sure. Yeah, we'll have to see what happens with that

And yeah, hopefully Islam doesn't ruin too many people's like Christmas, Christmas bonuses

because that's like if you're top five and you either won your fight

or you're waiting for the next fight, you might not want to fight

Like you might just want to wait. Yeah, I mean, and that's the right opportunity

Exactly. You know, yeah, you never know what can happen. We might see Sean Brady doing Uber Eats for a year

waiting for his next payday. No, he made some, he's made some bank this last year, Mr. Baggs

I think he's okay for a little while. All right, all right

Well, what did you think about the ladies? Madame Fiora tried to take the belt from Valentina Shevchenko

and I was so surprised they did not put respect on Shevchenko's name

She was the underdog. It was really strange, right? What the

I know. Did they not see her last fight? I guess not. Did they not see her last three

Maybe they saw her last three and they were over it. They weren't paying attention. They were like, grass at a loss is bullshit

We hate both of you. Well, you had kind of, you have like a mystique with Manon

Like she's been doing really well and she's had some, you know, good performances

She's so big and powerful. And so you had a lot of unknown factors

And I think the way that she looked against previous opponents, you kind of, I guess the

the odds makers kind of questioned how the fight would go. Yeah

And what Shevchenko would be able to do. Shevchenko did have, sorry to interrupt you

No, go ahead. Shevchenko did have, you know, some trouble taking her down at will

And Manon actually, you know, was the one pushing the action against the cage

and just really stifling the output. So maybe that's the way they saw it would go

Yeah, I get that. I get, like, when you have someone who hasn't been..

beaten in forever. Her last loss was actually Leah McCourt. You remember when she came through to Alliance

Yes. Right? Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That was her last loss back in 2018

So it was a split decision. What weight was that at though? That was, was that 35

138 catch weight. Yeah. I'm not sure. I was going to say Leah's huge. Yeah. I'm not sure who needed the catch weight, but like, yeah, she fought that girl

and that was her first fight, her last loss. So since then, she's been undefeated until Shevchenko

So a lot of times when that happens, you have a huge streak. Shevchenko's dropped a few recently, you know

whether it was a fluke or not, people remember that. They also remember her not looking as great against Talia Santos

who was also a big girl who was tough to take down. But what I saw from Shevchenko's last fight is that she closed a lot of those holes

She veered away from the sacrifice throws and got more into regular just double legs

single legs, foot sweeps, the type of stuff where you're not kind of leaning over backwards

and allowing them to hip over and get on top. And that's something that people saw Manon be able to do when she fought Aaron Blanchfield

Blanchfield. So I think people were kind of seeing the Blanchfield fight and they're

like, ah, we remember the Talia fight and we think she can just

use her bigness to stay on top on the takedowns and the takedown is the only way for

Shevchenko to win the fight. But that wasn't true. Shevchenko was able to nail

her with those right hooks. She was able to hit her coming in. She was able

to do damage and I felt like the damage the visible damage was really what won her the fight

because the rounds were pretty close, especially the last round. I think it was two and two going into the fourth

or going into the fifth. Sorry. My hat is... I know. A little dehydrated

A little dehydrated. Choking on my coffee. Girl should have had some water before

Oh my God. But I have to give some big respect to Manon for being able to tough through that broken nose that she got in the first round

That was awful. Luckily, it was bleeding on the outside, hopefully not too much on the inside

It didn't seem to zap her gas tank. But, man, it just looked so painful

And she was still grinding away. And you know that that nose was getting just rubbed all which ways

And that was so painful. every single time that thing was touched. How does that feel? I've never had a broken nose before

You don't want to. It hurts. No, it looks horrible. It feels horrible

The thing that, like, the pain isn't even the thing that freaks me out about it

It's the, everyone says that when you break your nose and the blood is dripping down your throat

like, it feels like you're getting waterboarded. Yeah. That's horrible. That happened to me in my title fight

That's horrible. Yeah, no. That's the worst thing ever. Yeah, it's terrible

It's terrible. Like I have dreams of drowning. Like nightmares rather. We taught you how to swim in the tough house

You're not going to drown. Oh, God, no. It's not fun for me

Like I tried the deep in fitness thing. The , what is it

The torpedo. Oh, torpedo league. Yeah, no, it's not for me. Yeah, that one's a little bit weird

And I'm like, I used to swim. Like I'm pretty comfortable in the water. But that whole aspect is pretty, pretty uncomfortable

Just walking around underwater, getting comfortable, not being able to breathe, that kind of thing

That's fine. No, the actual game, because it's like grappling underwater. Oh, yeah

No, I never did the game. It was just the stuff that they do in order to get you ready for the game

No, that's fine. I'm like that. That's fine, but don't touch me

Don't try and submit me. Oh, my God. It is crazy. It turns into like an underwater grapple match

somebody has the torpedo and everybody just tries to like cling to you and like grapple you

Oh my God. I'm like, no, you're taking it. Guys, check out, what is it called

Underwater Torpedo League? Yeah. Check out Deep End Fitness and then they have a lot of clips of the Underwater Torpedo League

Liz Carmouche is actually like pretty good at it, right? Yes. Yeah, she loves that shit

Yeah, she's really good at it. Because she's evil. I'm going to drown you and then I'm going to take your ball

That's her way of winning. Like first I'll kill them. Then I take the torpedo

I just have to make sure that I make them cry and feel as sad as possible

They won't know they're crying because they're underwater. That's terrible. Oh my God

Yeah. So that feeling, I can't, I can't even imagine trying to fight through that

Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, that's horrible. It's terrible. It's horrible. I hope you never experienced it

Kudos to her. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Everyone thought I experienced it in my last fight, but it was just a scratch

A scratch. Just a scratch in the bridge. It's fine. Yeah, but that fight was pretty awesome

Even though I was exhausted, you know, already from all the beers and the robbery of my favorite fighter

it was a really entertaining fight. And it just added to the mystique of Valentina Shevchenko because she's beating the top, the best of the best at 37

Like she's just going to keep going. And it's really cool to imagine who's going to challenge for the belt next

Well, I think we have a contender now after Natalia Silva. Yes

I mean, she definitely has a chance. Like she has looked phenomenal

And her fight's coming up to this. And even though she didn't get the finish in this one

she has destroyed a lot of girls on her way to the top and just completely dominated Grasso, too

in a way that only Shevchenko's been able to. Yeah, I think. In her third try

Not her first and second, but in her third. I think in her second one, she actually won

Yeah, but she didn't dominate. No, no, no, not dominate. Yeah, this was a very, very clear

It was a shutdown. Yeah, shutdown of Grasso. But it's also the way she fights

Like Natalia Silva, she fights in a way where it's like she's going to hit you hard

And then as soon as you're like, why I ought to, she's out of there

She's so fast. So fast. Such amazing movement. And it's kind of rare to see someone that is more of like a backwards fighter, a counter fighter

somebody who circles a lot, be so aggressive. Yeah. It's kind of a dichotomy for me

You don't see it very often, but she just really pulls people in

attacks, and then she's out. It's like swatting that air, like, what the

Come back here. Fight me like a man. You know? And she's like, yeah. I will fight you like a taekwondo girl

And she does her little face with her bottom. It kind of funny to watch her move because it like those TikToks where they cut off the half of the body and the top half is doing something and then the bottom half is like doing like an Irish jig or

something like that. You know what I'm talking about? That's what she looks like. Like it looks

like the two halves of her body are completely different people. They're on different rhythms

Yeah, they are. Like like her legs are going all over the place. Her hips are twitching. You don't

know if she's about to like question mark kick you or throw a spinning thing or throw a one-two

like I can imagine being in front of her because usually when someone has good feints it's easier

to read from the outside within you know like as a viewer I'm like okay she's feigning she's doing

this that I can kind of tell what she's gonna do even though I'm not in front of her to be in front

of that person sucks no it's like over here bam yeah over here over here oh no no no over here

Wham. Yeah. To be in front of that person trying to focus and trying to lay in your own shit

You don't know what's going on. So for me, watching Natalia Silva as a spectator and not knowing what she's going to throw either

I'm just like, yeah, it would suck to be Grasso right now. Oh, no. And you could see it

I mean, Grasso is a very composed fighter. She always comes in with a good game plan

But but this time she had a couple moments of of success, but was never able to capitalize on those

And it looks like a very frustrating night for her. Yeah, there was that moment in the second, right

Like right at the very end where she finally got her up against the wall

And that's kind of what you have to do against a fighter like that. Like you have to cut them off

She's she's good at circling. Like she goes one way. She goes the other way

She'll go bop, bop, bop, bop, bop until she's out and back into the center of the octagon where she's going to have space to do her run and gun thing

And Grasso was finally able to pin her up against the wall and throw combinations

But then at the end, she got lumped up, too. That's the game plan that I thought she was going to be able to execute

It was kind of like a page out of who she fought, Arugio. Yes

And again, Arugio's a big, strong fighter, and she's more of a stalker kind of pressure fighter

And she was able to get Natalia Silva up against the cage and not necessarily, like, have success in getting damaged

But she was able to pin her up against there. And I thought that that was the game plan that Grasa would be able to execute

However, she just couldn't get her feet to do it. Yeah, yeah. She was a little slow in there and not slow like hand speed wise

but just as soon as she set her feet to do something, Silva was out

And she also had patience too. Like a lot of people aren't going to play that game for the entire round

that running game where you start to think about the crowd. You start to think about the score and what the judges are seeing

and the fact that you've got to land something eventually. She was very patient in playing that game

and did just enough to just be like, bam, I won the round. No, she's very Lyoto Machida-esque

Yeah. He'll lull you. He'll do his whole thing, and then he has potentially one big explosion that could win him the fight

But you're waiting for it the whole time. Yeah. A lot of patience. Dude, it was crazy

So I'm excited about that fight. I think she's adorable too. And she's speaking English

The Brazilian girl is like really working harder to English just so she can become a bigger star

I think all those things lead to her being a really impressive champion if she's able to get past Chip Chanko

Yeah, so we'll see if that happens. But another thing people are saying is that we might have a champ-champ fight with Whaley and Shevchenko

Interesting. Is that going to logjam up the division, though? Because now we have a couple people in the flyweight division that are top contenders

Right. Like you said, Natalia Silva, she's definitely a huge player in this

Macy Barber, if she's able to get past Blanchfield, that's something that could possibly be a thing

And yeah, I feel like that's it for the flyweights. But then poor Verna, just coming off of a win off of Zalanyan, she's going to be jammed up too

And like Verna looked impressive. Like she looked amazing against Zalanyan. Her striking finally looks like she was a striker instead of just a grappler trying to put punches out there to disguise a takedown

Yeah, and down again, she's very hard to submit as well. And Virna got extremely close multiple times in that fight

So I feel like Virna's earned her spot, but she's always going to be looked past

Like, nobody wants Virna. Like, why doesn't anyone want to fight Virna

She's not promoting herself. She is! not the way that the general public

are resonating with. So you want Vierna to show her ass? Do we need to deep fake Vierna

so that she can get a title shot? No, don't do that to her

Nobody deserves that. Nobody deserves that. No, go do TikTok dances. She has promoted herself

She did the thing with Hawani's show. I forget what it was

but she did something. And then he put her photo in his studio

I forget what it was. That was a long time ago. But basically, she's done the work

She's won the fights. She was going to fight Tatiana Suarez. They snatched that opportunity away from her

Suarez was able to get the shot. Now it's Verna's turn. Like, she deserves the shot

Oh, undeniably. I would be disappointed if they were to give Whaley that fight

and make Virna fight yet again in order to keep her spot as the next contender

I completely agree with you. Yeah, and I think everyone agrees. But the people who, you know, write the checks and make the money

they don't want to see Virna take away their money bag of Whaley

Not just yet. A champ-champ fight is definitely something that's going to make more money

than Whaley defending the belt against Virna. it just sucks. You want it to be merit-based

and you want it to just be fair and everything. But man, she's earned her spot for sure

And I'm going to be disappointed if she doesn't get it. Vote for Vierna. We should make shirts

Oh yeah, we should make. We should. Vote for a little hat

Everyone wears the hat and make the shirts and get flags and everything

Vierna for title contender. We're lobbying her. Yeah, you can do it

Oh, shit. What did I do? We're going to move on. I look away for one second and I missed it

It's okay. It's okay. We're moving on. So Benoit Saint Denis, did you see that one

Oh, yeah. so the biggest betting favorite on the card I think that was a pretty safe bet you called it by submission Hey Well done I had him by winner by TKO which was in sight

in a couple of moments. It was there, but that had an arm

He just wanted you to be wrong. I know. It's okay. I can be wrong

He was like, you know what? Take down. No, we talked about that

Because you know what? you, Jess. Take down. Whatever. And twins. I was just doing

I was just doing too well on my predictions. I had to throw a wrench in it

Oh, how'd your Penny's picks do this week? You know what? I was like, I think I batted like 60-40

That's good. That's still good. It's all right. They still came out on top if you did like equal for each bet, right

Yeah. Yeah. It's all right. Can't be great all the time. Aw

It's all right. That's why it's betting. Yeah, it was a good fight for him

He's had kind of a tough run with it, fighting the top of the top contenders

He's dropped a couple to the top five, but I thought this was pretty much a lock, which it was

Poor Preplik. He had dropped two in the UFC. They caught him, and he's been doing really well on the regional circuits

And then he stepped in on short notice. Hopefully the UFC is going to do him a solid for doing them a solid

So we'll be seeing him again. Yeah, hopefully. Do you know what happened with his original opponent, Joel Alvarez

What happened with that guy? It was an undisclosed injury. They haven't really revealed anything

I don't know if it was major or minor. Yeah. But big enough deal to take him out of a fight against, you know, a very dangerous opponent

Yeah, man. And they were like, we're keeping Saint Denis on here because, yeah

You need somebody to speak French to the... Yeah, yeah. Guys from Montreal

Yeah, you gotta. Well, there was one more fight we wanted to talk about

The ladies, we had one of our old foes, Jessica Andrade, doing her jump up the flyweight again

But she had to face Jasmine Jazz Duvicious. And she was, as we like to say, juvicious

In this fight. I mean, it was a perfect fight. You know, she, Jasmine, pressed her back, got her down, took her back, got the submission

It's the size and strength advantage that Jessica Andrade has at straw weight is just not there

No. At flyweight. No, she tries to fight the same way, though, I feel like

You can't. And you can't. Like, the thing is, I think for Andrade, like, she had success fighting people who are the same size as someone like Jasmine Jesudavicious

Like, I would say that Joanna is kind of, like, similar build and everything

But she's not the same, like, solidness and strength and girth and weight

You know, like no one making 115 is going to be as big as someone making 125 and rehydrate the next day

So I feel like you have this false sense of just like what you can do at that weight class

And she's been getting beat up at 125. Yeah. Like we saw at least against the elites

Like, who was it that she totally destroyed at 125? It was Lauren

Was it Murphy? Lauren Murphy. Yeah. Yeah, and that wasn't that long ago

But since then, it's been hard for her to really get a couple good wins at 125

Yeah, she was kind of like a 50-50 fighter at 135. And she's kind of the same at 125 these days

It's just when you don't have that size and strength and power advantage over someone, you have to change your style

And we saw her a little bit more hesitant, just a little bit less typical on Draw that we see her like really imposing herself at straw weight

Yeah, I feel like she she's just showing up for a paycheck a little bit when she does 125

Like that's that's kind of how it looks like once it got to the ground, you didn't see a lot of urgency

Like maybe it was just because, you know, Jasmine was super heavy

She was on top. She was doing all the right things. But like she like it looked like Andrade wasn't awake yet

You know, like she was and then she was asleep, you know, and then the joke happened

So it really seems like that. Like maybe she's doing the UFC a solid by showing up for these fights that she's like undersized for

You don't have to cut the weight. So it seems like an easy payday. You know, like you still have to train hard, but like you don't have to train as hard if you're cutting 30 pounds in order to make 115

So I don't know. Like it's a weird one, but she's definitely been able to make a lot of money jumping weight classes going from one to the other because she had a year where she fought like seven times in 365 days because she was able to fight in both weight classes

But she wasn't very successful at 125. No, not at all. It's hard at that level, you know, trying to fight within the top 10 and jumping weight

Like you're going to lose something. Yeah. Yeah. Some kind of advantage that you get from just being strictly in that weight class

At some point you just really have to make a decision. Yeah. But going to Jasmine, Jazdu vicious, looking vicious

Her last loss was Tracy Cortez by decision. Her loss before that was Natalia Silva

But other than that, she has been perfect in the UFC. So I'm expecting her to start making a case for title contention as well

especially after a win over Jessica Andrade, who did fight for the belt

Yeah, I see her. I mean, right now she's ranked at number nine

I expect her to jump up a couple spots potentially. Jessica Andrade was number seven

So maybe take her spot. Oh, maybe a fight with Rose Namunas

Oh, that'd be a fun one. Could move her up to, you know, fight against Manon as well or Alexa, you know, just for those like spots

Since they're both on the fight, they were both on the same card. They could be, you know, scheduled to fight another thing at the same point in time

that could be an interesting one if she wants to try and move up that ladder yeah well uh rose is

fighting miranda maverick next uh so we'll see who wins that one and uh i i feel like if rose wins

that'd be uh a tough call for her to fight her next but if maverick wins i think they would make

that fight fast has she already fought her miranda maverick oh maybe she has let me see

yes she lost her okay interesting interesting interesting lots of fun stuff happening at flyweight oh there was one more fight that was kind of cool And I actually got to talk to this guy before he fought Mike Mallett

Mallott. Mallott. He actually corrected us on how to pronounce his name

He fought Charles Radke. and there was like a lot of drama before that

fight. Did you hear about it? Not even a lot of drama but like they were trying to make

it a thing. Well, Racky has a big chip on his shoulder and he wears it

very proudly. So anybody that is going to fight Why? What happened to him

Childhood stuff. It's probably why he fights. He wasn't hugged. He probably wasn't

But he's an exciting fighter. He always has the possibility of catching

somebody with like his left hook or his right hand, he's put away his previous opponents that way

I actually had him picked to win this by knockout. Okay. Just because Mike Mallott had showed up kind of not as sharp

in his previous outings, but he used his length and his height advantage and got the win

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he definitely looked just like a little faster, a little more in the pocket, and then when he was able to land

he's just like a sniper in there. Typically, he uses his kicks to keep people out

and then he'll get them to come in, and he'll counter with punches, but he was a lot more boxing forward this fight

And so I thought it would play to Radke's game plan, who likes to be in the pocket, who likes to press the action

Yeah, it was a cool one to watch. and just like it was similar to the one somebody commented

why we were talking about Jeremy as if he died. off

We love him. Yes, we love him. But also he got to fight in his hometown

Yeah. And the same thing was happening with Mike Malott and Charles Radke

They made a big deal about Charles Radke saying, oh, I'm going to make you pay for Canada booing the U.S

in that hockey game we were talking about the other day. So he's like, oh, I'm going to make you guys pay for that by knocking out your guy in your hometown

So he really made himself a, what do you call it, bad guy

Heel? Yes, he really made himself a heel. And, I mean, Mike Mallott should thank him for that because there were a lot of eyes on that fight

And it made the win so much bigger for him. Like, he's fought a lot in Canada already

But this one seems like the one with the most crowd participation

the most adulation. People were really excited about him getting that knockout

And you could hear it in the fans. You could hear it in his voice as he's doing his post-fight speech

It was a really cool moment to watch. So relax, guys. We want that moment for everyone, especially our friends

But it was cool to see Mike Mallott be able to do that in front of his hometown

Absolutely. Yeah, so next week we have Burns versus Michael Morales. No relation to Spider-Man

Who you got for that one? You know, I have not looked at footage of Morales, but I'm always rooting for Burns

So he's my pick so far, but I'll have to do a little bit more investigation

Your investigations may make you sad. Oh, no, don't do that. This boy is on fire

Michael Morales he is a son of a gun he is is he the one that fought

Neil Magny yeah he fought Neil Magny it was a KO it was really nasty

he's just good at finding knockouts anywhere like I remember that one was like in the clinch he hit

a spinning elbow just totally caught Magny off guard and we've seen Gilbert Burns

in his last fight versus Jack Della Madelena, his pressure can get him hit against someone with good timing

So that one is a tough one. I want to watch more tape, too, but I feel like Morales might have this one

Well, yay. We shall see. It's too early to be this sad, Angela

I know. I'm sorry. Stop it. I'm sorry. But there's a lot of kind of lesser known names on this card

Where are your boys on this card in the co-main? Who? Craig

Oh, Paul Craig. Paul Craig. Doing it for our Scottish people. Yeah

He's fighting Rodolfo, so that should be a fun grappling match. Definitely

I think it's a fair matchup to grapplers. One on all the juice

Yeah, let's grapple this one. You know, we don't need two grapplers standing and striking with each other

I want to see a lot of this. Yeah, a lot of rolling, a lot of tumbles

I want to see a lot of attempts. Yeah. And then fellow YouTuber Sadiq Youssef, he's going to be fighting Marian Santos

I don't know much about him either. Oh, I think I remember. I think I remember him

Okay. He just had – oh, he's the one that said he actually lost

He won a decision against Marshall. And then he came back and said, oh, after watching it, I actually think that I didn't win

Oh, what a good guy. Yes, we like him. Wow. So honest

You don't get that much these days. No, no. Yeah. Well, he'll be fighting Sadiq Youssef, who's coming off of a couple losses

So good skill to Sadiq. Let's get back in the win column

And any other ones you're excited about on this card? That's kind of it

But I'm going to have to do a little digging and fight watching because this one is kind of a sleeper for me

It is, but those are always the best fights, I think, the sleeper cards

Oh, and I almost missed this one. We have a strawweight fight between Tisha Pennington and Luana Pinheiro

Oh! Yeah. So I fought both of these girls, Tisha twice. And it's an interesting matchup because Luana is more of a grappler

but she didn't really grapple in her last fight versus Jillian. She throws bombs

She tries to close the distance and then gets to a hip throw or gets to some kind of like takedown

And then Tisha is a little like Natalia Silva, where she tries to hit and then disappear

So I'm wondering, yeah, I'm wondering who's going to connect in this one

I think Tisha is going to give Panera some problems. Yeah. Um

just like, just stylistically, uh, Panera likes to close the distance. I haven't seen her being great with cutoffs

Hopefully she's working on that. Uh, but Tisha can be really elusive. She can just be like a lot of energy

Yeah. One thing, um, they're both like kind of smaller strawweights too

So I think, uh, you might see a strength advantage with Tisha

Like she's pretty stocky. She likes to bounce in and out, but she's that sidekick a lot

And she has been using takedowns a little bit too. Like she's been getting more into hitting a double leg just to seal the deal at the end

We haven't seen her fight a ton since she's been back from having a baby

but she went to a pretty close decision with Carla Esparza last

and then she lost the decision against Tabitha Ricci but I feel like that one was pretty close

I thought she could have taken that on the scorecard. So this will be an interesting one

and Tisha gets to get back into that win column and show people what she's all about

so we will be tuning in for that one first fight on the card

and we'll see you guys next week to talk about it it's been a

Tuesday y'all see ya bye