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and away we go
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are we recording yes oh that's what that meant hello and welcome to another
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episode of two straws [Music]
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so it's uh it's been a couple weeks it's been a couple weeks um you know one week into my victory
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Bender yes uh what is what has been that uh you
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know the I mean not anything crazy like I feel like it used to be way worse after a win
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but now that I'm a little older a little more mature just a few drinks you know a
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few drinks on the hour every hour that's about it yeah
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back to one thing I'm just an alcohol girl so that's that's mostly well that and you know a lot of smoking but my
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lungs can take it right now yes they can they're well conditioned yeah they're ready they were ready for the burn so
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yeah after after this week I'll be back to trade actually I already got a couple sessions in but it's not really the same
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I feel like after a fight you go through this senioritis what's that like just
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when you're in training you're just like I could finish the takedown I could just
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get sprawled on and hang out here for a while it's not a big deal you know there's no sense of urgency there's no
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like yeah need to to win yeah whereas like when you're in fight Camp there's a
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lot of you know pressure and like you want to do everything right because like what if you don't you're not gonna be
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able to pull it off in the fight that's like my mental conversation it's so scary yeah it really is I really love training outside of fight weeks or
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outside of fight camps right the best it's so nice it's like a little mini vacation you're just there to take it in
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you remember like why you enjoy the sport yeah I'm like oh wow I actually
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enjoyed doing this I enjoy grappling I like hitting people I'm choosing to be
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here yeah I'm here for fun that's it's a big difference from when
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you're in a fight Camp so absolutely it's nice to finally be out of it it was my first fight camp in a little while
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too um I had a fight Camp early this year and then my second fight this year was
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just like hey you're fighting you know so well you were supposed to fight and they were like yeah they were like you
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don't need a camp yeah like I know you're thinking about starting Camp right now but we're just gonna go ahead and let you fight now you're better that
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way yeah like I know you haven't done [ __ ] for this Camp so we're gonna go ahead and make you do it now yeah I mean
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why not yeah at least I knew who it was gonna be it would be cool if in the future I got short notice fights but I
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knew who was gonna be so they're just like hey you're fighting Mackenzie during in two days I'm like bet you know
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I've been ready you guys told me six months ago that this would happen at some point so at least I knew at least I
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had a name I like that I like that so is there I don't know I guess is there any
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not necessarily name but is there any kind of like stylistic matchup that you're like oh that's gonna be like a
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rough short notice fight I think I think maybe like the the grappling specialist
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okay just because it's it's something that I'm not as used to as going with a
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striking specialist okay so because I feel like I'm a striking specialist even though nobody gives me the credit I
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deserve but uh that's what I started with so I'm most comfortable on my feet
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but if I'm if I'm like fighting someone who is good at sports Jiu Jitsu or like
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a really high level wrestler or something like that um
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I feel like I could squaring my way out of a judo cut I feel like I could get away just wiggle away from that but
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still if they're if they've been doing it at a high level and it's grappling oriented then I do feel like I need a
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little more time just to figure out like there's special moves and make sure I have all the defenses for that because
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then I kind of get uh you can get a little lost in the techniques when they
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know exactly what they're doing because they've been doing it for 10 20 years and you're still kind of in The
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Five-Year Mark I understand that so that one is a little frustrating for me but uh it worked out with loopy because you
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know she's a good wrestler but I don't think she ever got to that like D1 D2 level where she's going up against the
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best in the world as at wrestling and has proven herself against the top top
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tier and I think with someone like Verna who has just competed in sports to a lot
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someone like MacKenzie Dern who's competed a lot like they're people who have gone up against all the best in the
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world so you gotta know at least a few tricks to get out of there like
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what do you call it just like their high percentage moves I got you I understand that
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what about you um I think that [ __ ] went the longest Camp against I want the longest Camp
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against probably a really good Striker yeah with
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good takedown defense yeah because I don't necessarily have the strongest wrestling
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um I don't necessarily I'm not like a striker Striker but I think that I can mix things up you know well enough but I
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definitely think somebody with really good takedown defense who wants to stay on the feet who's a really good Striker
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I think that that gives me a challenge that I'd like a little bit more time for yeah for sure yeah yeah yeah of course
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yeah we got down to Nitty Gritty yeah yeah so I was really happy with that
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fight um uh I just felt like uh your fight gave us a lot of Clues on how to attack
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uh for sure on what to defend um I was mad though that she didn't
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throw any leg kicks I was so mad at that because I had why I had so many answers for it like I'm like if this [ __ ] came
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in a leg I would have knocked her the [ __ ] out and I would be like that's what Jesse [ __ ]
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I was so ready like we had so many cool calendars for that cat cake like you saw
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some of them like like the uh the return fire yes oh
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if I hit her with the return fire I yeah I just really like the the checking
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really hard yeah because that really sucked yes just just drilling those just like one
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time drilling those I was like I don't want to anymore and when people are busy
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reacting to that hard check is so easy to nail them in the face it really is like really especially without shin
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guards like I was just oh I was like I was like all right she's gonna do it this round and she never did it
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wow wow but other than that I was pretty happy with the fight I just uh I was
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just a little a little sad that she didn't come forward because I feel like that's when you're able to land your
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best stuff is when they actually fight and sure she was kind of stuck in the mud for the first two rounds yeah yeah
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so are you gonna do yeah that's very crazy
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I I'm like damn it I think I think she too was also pretty pretty upset
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yeah I know right like you know we both could have had a fun night we could have got fight a night bonus or something
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like that absolutely just like you know try and knock me out next time yeah just try and throw the worst that could
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happen yeah just do it but uh there were some pretty gnarly
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fights on the card did you watch it um I did
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but mostly I was buzzed for it boy because you're fighting so I'm like I
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need dude yeah I see this dress earlier I don't
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think I can't handle this yeah it's it's really challenging yeah I don't I honestly don't think I can focus after a
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friend fights like especially a close friend I'm just like ah thank God they won or oh my God I can't believe they
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lost and then like the rest of the fights I'm just like [ __ ] this guy [ __ ] this like I don't care because it's just
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either that or if there's a headliner that I'm really looking forward to I'm relieved once my friend fights because
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then I'm like okay now I can watch this fight and not be all stressed out yeah I
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I get pretty stressed out when people I care about right so it's just um that's the only fight that I'm
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waiting for that I'm focusing on and after that I'm just like all right I'm good yeah who won again what happened
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what happened I don't what happened did you watch uh Kevin Holland versus Wonder Boy
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I did and I do remember that one yeah I do because that one um
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that was a really interesting fight I thought that that matchup could potentially be really exciting and it was I think that was the most exciting
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fight that Wonder boy's ever been in yes because he had to fight he really and he
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didn't he he fought yeah it was really impressive there's um you know there's
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there's a lot of like really good takeaways from that fight um I I really I don't know what it was
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about I feel like there was some sort of weird martial arts kind of agreement like a gentleman's agreement going on
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yeah because Holland took down Wonder Boy like a couple of times really
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solidly and had control like top position and he did not capitalize on it
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at all and he just stood up and I just felt I was like did Bailey have a gentleman's agreement was there some
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sort of thing that happened between two traditional martial artists that happen because this is really
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strange like yeah wasn't it Kung Fu versus karate is that what it was about I think that's what happened but it
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could have also been because he broke his hand because that happened in the later rounds the takedowns and he might have
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just not felt like dealing with grabbing and holding with a broken hand it's easier to move
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and then just touch I would rather fight for control on the ground worrying than
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than worry about punching someone yeah because it's like essentially one of your weapons is taken away and I know
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one of your weapons has taken away in a grappling you know kind of situation but I feel like he could have you know
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grabbed his wrist or you know just done something else with control use his body weight just give himself yeah a little
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bit more of a scoring opportunity and that could have really made the difference in in the scoring of the
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fight yeah yeah I don't know it's a he makes weird decisions because I don't
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know I I do I do feel like it it would be really painful to Grapple with a broken hand like sure like to the
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adrenaline only takes care of so much and when you're grappling that's like Constant
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Contact you know yeah but I thought with broken hand multiple times yeah and it's not like you're you're happier on your
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feet I don't I don't want to throw him like this hurts so much I'll do it it's just that's how I imagine it is in a
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grappling situation like it hurts but I'll do it or I'll get to a position where you know maybe I'm you know using
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my legs a little bit more or just trying to advance in position and see where I can get rather than just bailing because
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when you're when you're standing up you know that is one less weapon that you have yeah and against a really tricky
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very unique styled Wonder Boy it's just yeah I mean he was doing well don't get
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me wrong I think he's doing well I think he used his hand just as much as he
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could have on the ground too though yeah it could just be a comfortability thing
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like what we were talking about you know like it could like I I feel like I would probably be more comfortable standing
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with a broken hand than on the ground because maybe I don't engage my hips as
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much as you do or maybe I'm not like as good at my Transitions and able to wing
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it when every time my base will on my hand it hurts you know what I mean for sure it could just be a difference in
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that but Kevin Holland is a black belt like he's he knows how to do [ __ ] down there we've seen him do it multiple
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times so yeah I wonder if it's just he feels more fluid on the feet or he
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wanted to respect the agreement or I don't know but it was definitely some weird kind of handshake gentleman's
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agreement that happened maybe in like one of their passings yeah they were hanging out all week have you ever hung out with a an opponent during fight week
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no I mean I wouldn't be surprised if you were hanging out with the code eater in
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my fight we yellow buddy buddy now I'm just saying she was not nice to me by
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the way after no I didn't know I didn't even see her but I tried to like don't
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talk about my friend like I tried to like give her a hug after the fight and she was like pulling away from me like
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like when I tried to I tried to hug her yeah to be fair
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you punched her a lot I tried to hug her at weigh-ins too
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and she pulled away from me and it's like um you know when you're uh when
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you're at like a family event and that creepy Uncle comes over and gives you a hug like she gave me the same tension
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she gave the same like touch but she just like tense tensed up didn't
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like didn't return to hug at all just like no make it stop she did that both times
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after the fight and before so it wasn't because of punch in the face well she was she was very nice to
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me oh well same kind of white I guess [Laughter]
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oh you're so funny what can I say I've always been an
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Opposites Attract kind of girl maybe it's just me
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never ever been Buddy Buddy like that like I'll I'll make a joke or crack a
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smell or shake a hand but I'm not hanging out having a conversation about
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life like trying to know you as a person like [ __ ] that I want I want you to be this thing this evil thing that I have
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to destroy like I don't want to know about your kids and your hopes and dreams that humanizes you and I don't
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want that I don't want you to be humanized after the fight that's okay yeah yeah before the fight
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no it's unnecessary I feel like that can actually be kind of like some sort of a mental Warfare yeah I don't like you
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know I don't want compassion for my opponent I'm gonna think twice about punching him in the face when they look
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sad you know like oh you thought you were gonna win then she like I don't
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know what's my punch significant shape Boop man that's how it
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is um I didn't I felt kind of weird like the last fight week that I had that
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didn't end up happening oh yeah because Tabitha baby
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yeah what about her anyways we love that nickname
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it's it's hard because you're like seeing her you know in passing like coming out of the um the UFC office that
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was you know I mean I'm I can be cordial I can be very professional and stuff like that but she went over and hugged
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you oh me yeah and I was like yes she did oh and she didn't have you embraced
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her she said hi she said hi but she's like oh my guys that's my friend kind of
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like what uh Lupe did when I was fighting her she ran out oh yeah oh my God stop hugging my friend dude
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everyone loves me I know it really it really pisses me off I'm like can you stop that's my friend maybe that's why
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um I was so taken aback when she was pulling away from me I'm like don't you know that everyone loves me everybody
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loves me you're supposed to love me too I don't
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understand you only love Jess this is a problem this is weird because this never happens this is a problem she also
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didn't hug me after your fight what yeah she came in and she hugged you it was
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like oh my God it's such an honor to fight you blah blah blah she said the same thing to you she looked me up and
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down and left the room no she didn't to Cody why she she don't like me
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well now she really doesn't like it I know right now you definitely lost that you lost that friendship yeah that's
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never gonna be a thing hey maybe we'll train one day we can work it out work out our differences
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let's go punch each other until the point of tears and then go hug afterwards we'll just fight over you
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stop you're recording stop it
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this is about the light it's okay it really kills my plants keep
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going oh my God
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yeah uh well you know I've aspired a baby shark before leading up to a fight
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so we have that connection by punching shared punches in the face yeah uh and
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now you're rebooked now I'm rebooked we can announce that for our cheap YouTubers I know you guys missed the
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actual announcement it's okay you're just the last to know
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how does that feel does it feel cheap [Laughter]
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exactly what it feels like hey we've been there
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one of one of the things about last fight week as well was that um she was
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handing out like little like shark like baby shark things like little Trinkets
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and like she was like the mayor of the freaking Apex in the pi and I'm in there getting worked on it they're like oh my
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God she's so sweet she just gave me this and this and this and then they're like oh Jess who are you fighting her it's a
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really cute adorable social one that's like really nice and outgoing the one that you're rooting for yeah I'm finding
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that one uh I've always been more of a Daria than a queen girl though yeah same yes
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she's very much a Quinn I hate her because she's the opposite of everything I am yeah she's so fun she's so cute and
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sweet and everyone don't say you need to figure out your own thing that you can give out
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do like condoms you know those condoms they have in the bathroom and like the trashiest clubs
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you should give those out put like your face on it at least it's something you
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could use like what the [ __ ] am I gonna do with a shark keychain like I'm not
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gonna put that on my [ __ ] keys you know like no give them something they could use something that they like a two
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straws keychain like a two straws condom those should exist yeah that should
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definitely exist okay I'm gonna write this I think I bet we can get some I bet it's the same place that makes like
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those stickers that you can get the bumper stickers yeah yeah I bet they make customized condom wrappers it's just it
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can't be just me because again people like you not me I'm I'm Angela Hill's
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friend they might think it's a come on with you I'll be like wait where's you like oh that's just Angela oh she's just
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so silly she's just so funny jokes everybody loves her yeah that's the
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that's the definitely the thing I want everyone in the UFC to think of when they're ripping it open is me and Jess
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I mean just this podcast I just think that that is a great
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marketing opportunity you know all right we'll get him we got a lot of time plenty of time March 4th March 4th March
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March 4th so uh be ready to see some two straws condoms in the bathroom with Apex
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or oh wait no it's gonna be uh it's gonna be an arena right yeah I think about the T-Mobile nice but we can still
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like bring like spread the love we need boxes of it we do we need to make it rain boxes Make It Rain Safety First yes
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we care it's important it is wrap it up wrap it up
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so there is a lot of crazy drama
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circling around this last fight card UFC 282
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um man talking about wrapping it up man Ariel helwani was just on like he was on
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fire he was just like hey I got a bone to pick with these people and I'm gonna spend an hour of my
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podcast to tell you guys and apparently Monday he spent another 20 minutes
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uh just closing the door I didn't I didn't listen to it so I can't really comment on it but someone was telling me about it
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and I'm like well he's thorough I mean he does have his own you know
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media to express himself and you know that's what he gets to use it for I get it
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you get another drink babe uh yes um personally uh if uh it didn't if it didn't affect
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my future fights I'd spend I've spent plenty of hours [ __ ] on
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all the judges who have done me wrong so I don't I don't blame him
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I was gladly if people would listen I would gladly spend multiple hours just
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ripping them apart but uh I get it now I have future decisions to think about
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just put that on the to-do list oh yes for you know Another Place Another Time
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yes after retirement yeah you're writing your Memoirs yeah or when I get better at finishing people maybe
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like all right you [ __ ] I got my first submission UFC you're done I
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don't need you anymore like coming back from this one yeah so I don't blame them but I did think it
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was pretty funny how both sides were just going back and forth and spending a
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lot of energy talking about this uh I don't know I feel like it was like a
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minor thing it was a minor thing that became a huge thing yeah it just snowballed it
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did yeah um do you want to share with that issue exactly was so the first I heard about
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it was a clip because I don't watch these podcasts but everyone's talking about so I guess so paraphrase from the
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little bit that I saw but first I saw a clip from uh Patty's podcast with him
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and Dana and they're talking about era hawani and of course Dana gets all like
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this is my moment oh oh it's like don't don't bring up Douglas Crosby on a
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podcast with me I will I will get comfortable I'll start flexing like yeah
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so this is his Dana's like uh favorite subject yeah everybody has one yeah I
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hate Ariel helwani and you can tell by his uh by his gleeful grin but they said
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talking about him and Patty brings up this moment that he had an interview
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booked in New York and it was a paid interview and Hawaii hit him up or has
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how he puts it Hawaii had him up it was like hey come do this interview I have these times and Patty's like oh I can't
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do that time because I have a paid interview if you want to pay me then
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I'll do your interview instead and Ariel's like oh it's more exposure blah blah blah and he's like well I gotta do
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paid interview so that's how Patty put it and then he said that Ariel helwani
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put him on blast on his show and was telling everyone that Patty's manager
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asked him for payment for an interview and that it was [ __ ] up so apparently this didn't happen or at
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least the name wasn't dropped but people put two and two together because
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Graham posted something about Fighters needing to get paid for their interviews
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when they do interviews and Ariel hawani saying this random fighter asked me to
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pay him for interviews never happened before people put two and two together and people were talking about so the internet did their homework and they
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found out that what had happened yeah so really
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it really just seems like if this were put to rest then no one would have known
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about it but both parties said things people were able to do the math and now
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it's an issue but this was a long time ago when Patty was in New York I think earlier this year so hawani got really
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upset about Patty posting this and went back took out his receipts and showed
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what he said during his podcast he showed all the text message or read all
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the text messages that uh he had between Patty and and Graham manager
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um about them asking to be on the show but then when he had something booked
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they decided not to do it because it wasn't a paid interview so that's pretty much the whole story but
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um I think it took an hour instead of the five minutes that it took me
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because Ariel had to respond to the Dana hate and he had to respond to the Patty
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hate and he had to respond to uh Graham putting them on blast so he's he's responded to all these people and I
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guess it was a big deal because a lot of people were really upset about our video don't worry maybe
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Ariel helwani listen but
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it wasn't just it wasn't just in anyone who thought we were just making fun of Ariel is maybe maybe my accent isn't
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gonna maybe maybe it's maybe it's bad on my
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part I need to go back to skouser acting school you know we'll we'll practice again
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we'll do another skit another segment there will be another opportunity because Patty is always in the media oh
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yes he's um you know mma's like favorite guy right now yeah so they're all golden
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child with the golden mushroom and he always says something funny in outlandish and there's always going to
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be an opportunity for it yeah and yeah I will have another chance to shine yes
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you can get Petty hate instead of Hawaii hate don't you worry oh I got plenty of helwani but that's how you know it was
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good it made somebody feel something it was literally like people um good people on
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both sides
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and then others I was like damn that's a spot on Hawaii
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so I don't know I think I think people were taken aback by your acting skills
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very good I was very impressed thank you
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um yeah it was fun I mean if if we can't laugh at ourselves if we can't make fun
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of ourselves and like what's MMA is ridiculous it is it is insane it is a
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ridiculous sport it really is we fight in a cage I'm not taking myself too seriously yeah so I'm looking forward to
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the next skit we decide to do me too I can't wait the more controversial the better I know even though it wasn't
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controversy just he said she said drama she's yeah it was it's pretty funny but
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I do like that people I gotta say I like that people are so passionate about the sport right I really do because I mean
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you know back in my day like nobody cared about MMA and now we're picking sides we're drawing hard lines in the
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sand we're getting like emotionally riled up to the point where we're going to comment on people's uh pages and
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we're gonna do research to find out what's happening in MMA I I think that's really exciting actually I think that's
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really awesome because it's almost a real sport almost we're so close
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we're gonna make it kids yes thanks to you guys yeah keep it going
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before I retire maybe not before I retire but hey I think I think we're
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neck and neck on retirement days yeah yeah we'll probably close it out together maybe yeah maybe we can have
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him uh book us to fight and then we just like do that thingy doing Jiu Jitsu tournaments yeah let's take a bath
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like we can't wait and everything for it
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ah oh they won't even give us a show money oh they'll give it to us I'm not
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leaving that cage without it you're like excuse me this is a draw
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yeah it's the last time you're gonna have to pay us just pay it yeah just do it we're
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retired fight tonight too please yes please and thank you okay it's never
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been done before it deserves fine tonight at least nobody would ever expect it no you're like this [ __ ] is a
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dumb what you gonna do for your last fight
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a whole career down the toilet the way we want to go out yeah exactly what
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better way than our way my uh my perfect age for that would be
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52. so stay in shape we could do a catch weight okay okay
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[Laughter] um the there were there were other
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fights on the card but we have to talk about the other controversy controversy
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controversy give her another drink Adam we need another drink sir I need to not say controversy right more
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um with the uh with the judging bro poor Jerry Gordon
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yeah um I feel like they're I mean we everybody
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says this there needs to be accountability for the judges but what does that look like I mean nobody's
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really said specifically what it could possibly look like I have a couple ideas and these are not like well thought out
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but I'm just you know shooting from the hip
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um but I I like the idea of possibly like every six months or every year they
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like have to go sit in front of a panel yeah and they have to [ __ ] explain themselves yeah and their decision
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making and then or like along with that every six months to a year like they
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have to go through some sort of like re-upping the criteria of of judging
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because I feel like it's still not clear and these are people that continue
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continuously sit on the side of the octagon and judge these fights and
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they're still I'm like where's the disconnect right like what are you not seeing and what is unclear because it's
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clear to most people um casual or not yeah it's clear to most
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people that that there is an issue and they're clear on the criteria why are you not yeah it's um one thing I like to
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look at are the media scores because there's is that other table where all
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the media is sitting and they can do play-by-plays and all that stuff they'll all score the fight how they see it in
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the moment too yes and you can't blame the angles you know like because a lot
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of people want to say a fight looks different in person than it does on TV but you can't blame the media scores on
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that because they might have a little monitor but they're mostly looking at the cage they can see the same thing
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that the judges can see so that is not enough to make up for that disconnect
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and also um I don't know I feel like refine has
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gotten a lot better because they give the refs hell when they mess up like
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poor her Dean you know like uh people have lost their jobs why have judges not
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lost their job exactly when they're continuing it's the same people making this the same decisions and they're not
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like making like so roughing roughing is hard if you're in the Heat of the Moment you're you're a human being you have
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emotions like there are certain things that I understand there's room for human error and they are held extremely
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accountable like they've lost their jobs over this and the judges do not have
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that same like visibility yeah yeah you don't you don't see a judge walking
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through the crowd and go oh that's that judge you know you see um any referee in the UFC walking
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through the crowd you're like oh yeah I know that guy yeah you might not know his name but you know him like you know that guy you've seen him a bunch of
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fights and these judges are there just as much as the referees they're the same [ __ ] people every time and the one
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that I keep going back to Douglas Crosby your buddy I [ __ ] like this guy he he
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does this all the time and he's been on record saying that he'll judge a fight opposite for fun
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like and who's gonna stop him he said that and he still has a job so it really
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is crazy that uh this guy he made them he well he didn't make the news because nobody cares but he was at Bellator the
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night before he scored a title fight 50-45 for the guy that lost 50 45 no way
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either of them got 50 45. he did the same thing for me and my limos fight no
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reason no one should have gotten 30 27 is that for me yeah he scored limos
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30-27. everyone saw the first two rounds the same one round for limos one round
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for me third round was the one that was up in the air most people thought I got the win like media scores everyone but
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one thought it was 29 28 me he scored 30-27 for lamos same thing he did well I
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don't know if he did I don't think it was all the rounds but he scored two rounds for
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um for Patty pimlet that night and then the other two Judds scored it
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accordingly and it's like it just sucks that you know these guys are talking you know
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you know these guys are friends they're buddies they hang out at bars at after fights like they know each other there's
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no reason why they aren't corrupting the system you
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know like they can know how to do their job fine but the fact that there's no
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accountability you can not do your job right on purpose and nobody's going to
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Care yeah so that's that's what I hate about judging because the more I go to fights the more I see how tight-knitive
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Community everyone is like not just the people doing the production side but the commissions like you know the refs the
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doctors they all know each other like everyone is a tight-knit community yeah so each other every weekend yeah so
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super easy to imagine that people are getting together to make fights go a certain way
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it's possible it's not in some people it's not outlandish to like to say that
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it's not and I know I'm gonna look like a cuckoo head for saying it but it's not and the more times it happens to me the
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more I'm like well there you go there's my point but on top of that uh it's
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not a lesson Chain of Thought but uh you know if if you had that thing
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that we were talking about that accountability where you have the visibility of the the judges you see their face next to their score or you
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see them in the K in on the side of the cage and people are pointing them out like this is that guy that's got that
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guy they have this angle then it will I do feel like it'll force them
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to be a little more accountable because people are going to hate them and they're going to know what they look like and they're going to tell them
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about it you know what I mean it's so I feel like that's fair because I've been fighting for how many years I've
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cornered I've fought I've done all that stuff and I still could not really point out one of them in a crowd no I like I
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see you I just saw a picture of one of them and I see him every time I'm there and I'm like oh this guy I wonder what
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he does you know but you don't know luckily it was a judge that I like so I wasn't I wasn't
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like ah that [ __ ] guy I've been nice to him all this time I should have punched him in the head but but you know
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you don't recognize these people and I think it would make more sense if we did
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if we knew who they were uh if we could ask them ask them a question like hey why'd you score my fight that way you
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can't even do that yeah like there's no there's no way to create a conversation
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where you as a fighter learn how to make make a fight look better to them
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and the only way to do that is to try to take it up with the commission which they will deny because there's no way to
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overturn a fight unless something really really crazy against the written rules happens yeah so
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this is the sport we're in I know yeah it's um I mean if we think about it it's
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still like really young I can't say that it's necessarily in its in its infancy but it is just getting that you know
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mainstream recognition attention and um consistent fan base
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and so I feel like eventually it's gonna have to change because enough people are
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identifying that there's an issue um there's nothing being done about it but eventually something has to be done
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I mean enough people are saying it it's at least a conversation I just don't know where or how we get it
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to be um a big enough issue or a bit of how we
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have um how we can bring it to attention and actually get heard yeah because there's I mean there's enough fights
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that go terribly wrong on the on the judge's scorecard so it's just how do we
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actually like create change yeah it's um and I feel like it's never gonna happen
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just because you look at a sport like boxing and it's the same story you know
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you have these every now and then you'll have uh just like a fight that
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everyone's watching high profile fight and the score cards are all over the
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place and it looks like someone got paid off to score it a certain way yeah and boxing fans are like this is rigged it's
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rigged so boxing is one of the oldest sports that exists now that have that
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type of scoring and I I just think it's it's unfixable because scoring something in that way is
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so arbitrary and it's easy to just make up a reason like you can make a case for anything you know I'm played Devil's
40:54
Advocate and say that because he was backing up and throwing punches and not connecting he was leading the fight you
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know like there are ways to finagle a reason to score around for someone even
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though they didn't deserve it sure especially if it's close and like let's be honest like
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even though it looked like Jerry Gordon won those fights or won those rounds it
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was still kinda close like I remember when he got reversed in the third round
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we're like oh [ __ ] oh that may have just stole the round yeah exactly because there was so little done he had great
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control and I mean I heard on the post fight press conference what Dana was doing you know oh yeah he's painting the
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picture yeah but it's it was also I mean it was kind of fair
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it was it was a fair critique um that he had the opportunity to you know
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go forward and like you know it could have been up in the air one-to-one that kind of thing like why wouldn't you step on the gas why would you you know shove
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him up against the cage and just try and control and not land any kind of strikes and then so that big of a movement
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towards the end of a fight is going to be you know in the judge's eyes yeah
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I I like Patty I don't think that
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that should have been the win who was given the win I I just don't but I can also see why people would you know try
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and give it to him yeah because he had some very big moments but I just think
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like the scoreheart showed that Gordon had like outstruck him or at least you
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know Power Punch wise or um what do they call it uh significance significant strikes we
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got what are those anyways but anyways let's not even get started on that that'll get me started I know I know I
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spent a whole hour on it even though I don't care about him I know but there's there's a difference
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yeah um and then you know cage control time and all this kind of stuff he had more takedowns and so I just saw
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Gordon doing more Effectiveness and I understand that um
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Patty had some some big moments he landed some hard strikes and he was you know still in the fight it was a
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competitive fight I just thought that Gordon won yeah
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yeah I mean I can't say I didn't agree with you you know and the only reason we
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thought that was because Patty was such a big name and a lot of times when you have big names
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the tiniest excuse to take around they'll they'll use it you know like the
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little the one one wobble one punch that wobbles them but then they lose the rest
43:40
of the round that could be enough to score for the guy who's more popular so
43:46
that's what that's what we have to deal with now as Fighters like look at uh a lot of people were bringing up
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um kyotrion versus Sean O'Malley that was way more of a robbery in my
43:57
eyes yeah but do people even remember that like I do
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yeah they'll remember it when when you talk about that fight in general but if
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you're saying oh I'm always on the street he's gonna fight for the title people are going to be like yeah cool you know especially the fans especially
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the O'Malley fans now one thing Patty did do that was very impressive was lose
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just as many fans as he gained this week with the hawani stuff with I guess just
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being very obnoxious after the fight uh
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not accepting that people thought it was a robbery just kind of like you know he he played the hill a bit this week and I
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think in a way that's going to keep people talking about them longer than if
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he was more gracious this week see I I did see a different layer yeah to Patty
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there's this whole fight week and I really started liking him and I I was like found him so endearing especially
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you know his post fight interview the previous time oh yeah where his you know
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he lost his friend and he showed up with you know the armband like in his honor and stuff like that and he was just
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really speaking from the heart and the dog thing too yes and it's um yeah
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what a good land he just seems like a sweetie like he really does and my my limited experience with him he's just he
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seems like a really awesome guy and I don't know exactly what it was this week
45:27
that was that was different than all the like that caused the change I guess you could say I don't know what the difference was but
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it was definitely a different vibe it was definitely a different energy yeah it could be I I don't know that to
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be true for a fact about anything yeah but that's my guess yeah I mean it could be I don't know I don't know how many
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fans he actually lost though is it like noticeable on his no I I think he just it's only noticeable in comments I think
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his numbers probably went up you know yeah more people see him more people show up to hate on his page that's
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creating more traffic to his page like it's kind of like our video
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I love it it's like I love it like people people showing up to write mean comments on our video just pushes it to
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thousands and thousands of other people I just want to ask like who hurt you who hurt you enough in your life that you
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feel that it is necessary to go out of your way and to spread your your energy
46:28
in that way I just you're better than that do better
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people than that hawani's friends commented nice things it wasn't it was
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real friends that is flunky followers and honestly like
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I mean you've been in the sport long enough like everyone's gonna get it I've been on I've been on the end of some pretty [ __ ] awful things oh yeah
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pretty awful things and you know what I think the most offensive thing was that
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women were funny I saw that I was like bro no I'm saying
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the most offensive thing to them yeah that we were being funny oh no they went out of their way to tell
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us that were not funny yeah because we were they want us to know that we should stop
47:15
because we make them uncomfortable little [ __ ] boys
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just because you can't make a girlfriend laugh doesn't mean we can't and they don't actually have a girlfriend no no
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no I know the girl that you uh drink it too yeah in the back of her head it's just yes
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[Laughter] um anyways anyways it's about that time
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that we go to our exclusive 15 minutes what should we talk about oh I got a few things I got a few things yeah you want
47:49
to give them a couple bullets so they subbed no actually should I take my slipper off
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can I take your supper oh yeah we'll be right back
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